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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Munro's Safety Apparel</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Munro's Safety Apparel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A gut feeling comes from experience.  When it comes to risk, you are trained to look at past experiences in order to decide how best to move forward.  This can relate to risk associated with any kind of job or industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A gut feeling comes from experience.  When it comes to risk, you are trained to look at past experiences in order to decide how best to move forward.  This can relate to risk associated with any kind of job or industry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contact the Editor by Andrea Madeley - VOID</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/contact-the-editor/#comment-21369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea Madeley - VOID]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kevin

I wanted to offer some constructive critisism on the site and I am really only talking about the asthetics and website functionality.

I find since you changed themes, the format is not working well on my system (IE8.0) and the left margin seems to hang over on top of the centre (main story) margin. Just wanted to let you know. 

The content is as always interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin</p>
<p>I wanted to offer some constructive critisism on the site and I am really only talking about the asthetics and website functionality.</p>
<p>I find since you changed themes, the format is not working well on my system (IE8.0) and the left margin seems to hang over on top of the centre (main story) margin. Just wanted to let you know. </p>
<p>The content is as always interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The productivity debate in Australia misses the opportunities presented by wellbeing by Wayne McCoy</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/23/the-productivity-debate-in-australia-misses-the-opportunities-presented-by-wellbeing/#comment-21367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne McCoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, why not just omit safety and replace that with death!  How arrogant can an organisation be?  There are better ways to improve productivity.   Have they not heard of positive reinforcement or things of the like?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, why not just omit safety and replace that with death!  How arrogant can an organisation be?  There are better ways to improve productivity.   Have they not heard of positive reinforcement or things of the like?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Australian research review blasts US quad bike research by chris Hughes</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/an-australian-research-review-blasts-us-quad-bike-research/#comment-21362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris Hughes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this the first Ive heard of the the quad bar, I have ridden quads a for a few years, and by looking at it you can it would serve a purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this the first Ive heard of the the quad bar, I have ridden quads a for a few years, and by looking at it you can it would serve a purpose.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by MyOHS</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MyOHS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that &#039;gut feeling&#039; is analogous with &#039;experience&#039;. Gut feeling is the (subconscious) minds ability to intuitively know the outcome of something without necessarily being able to explain why. In terms of the mechanisms that control this, insight (rational reasoning of cause and effect) plays a large part. It is past experiences that help form such insights. In this respect &#039;gut feelings&#039; should not be overlooked.

I personally do not like the expression &#039;best guess&#039; preferring instead &#039;educated guess&#039; as it implies the inclusion of insight. Semantics, perhaps, but when the weight of words plays such an importance in how intent is interpreted, such details are important. Interpretation of such information is also important and context is really the driver here. Should you err on the side of caution? or ignore such incomplete information?

With respect to the subjective nature of risk management, this is the basis for ALL qualitative risk assessment systems. even those that claim to be semi-quantative simply apply a value to a subjective choice. Employing a quantative risk management system is simply too expensive for most employers with respect to OH&amp;S. The magnitude of such assessments is simply out of the reach of most. For higher risk applications there are better tools to use such as HAZOP or FMEA but even these still employ subjectivity to identify failure modes.

The filter for this information, as you say is indeed the risk facilitator. Being a facilitator can be an arduous task. There are many facets to the skills involved, and only some of these are obtained with formal training / qualifications. It is their job to ensure that the right people are involved, and that their contributions are interpreted correctly. This also includes looking into any &#039;gut feelings&#039; that may be presented and to try and establish the cause and effect behind them. 

&#039;Trust you instincts&#039;. &#039;Follow your gut&#039;. There are good reasons why such expressions are commonly recited and whilst we may not understand why, there is often value in heeding such feelings. How many times have you heard (with respect to accidents) &#039;I could see it happening&#039;, or &#039;I thought something was wrong&#039;. Gut feelings or insight as it is correctly called is not something to be ignored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that &#8216;gut feeling&#8217; is analogous with &#8216;experience&#8217;. Gut feeling is the (subconscious) minds ability to intuitively know the outcome of something without necessarily being able to explain why. In terms of the mechanisms that control this, insight (rational reasoning of cause and effect) plays a large part. It is past experiences that help form such insights. In this respect &#8216;gut feelings&#8217; should not be overlooked.</p>
<p>I personally do not like the expression &#8216;best guess&#8217; preferring instead &#8216;educated guess&#8217; as it implies the inclusion of insight. Semantics, perhaps, but when the weight of words plays such an importance in how intent is interpreted, such details are important. Interpretation of such information is also important and context is really the driver here. Should you err on the side of caution? or ignore such incomplete information?</p>
<p>With respect to the subjective nature of risk management, this is the basis for ALL qualitative risk assessment systems. even those that claim to be semi-quantative simply apply a value to a subjective choice. Employing a quantative risk management system is simply too expensive for most employers with respect to OH&amp;S. The magnitude of such assessments is simply out of the reach of most. For higher risk applications there are better tools to use such as HAZOP or FMEA but even these still employ subjectivity to identify failure modes.</p>
<p>The filter for this information, as you say is indeed the risk facilitator. Being a facilitator can be an arduous task. There are many facets to the skills involved, and only some of these are obtained with formal training / qualifications. It is their job to ensure that the right people are involved, and that their contributions are interpreted correctly. This also includes looking into any &#8216;gut feelings&#8217; that may be presented and to try and establish the cause and effect behind them. </p>
<p>&#8216;Trust you instincts&#8217;. &#8216;Follow your gut&#8217;. There are good reasons why such expressions are commonly recited and whilst we may not understand why, there is often value in heeding such feelings. How many times have you heard (with respect to accidents) &#8216;I could see it happening&#8217;, or &#8216;I thought something was wrong&#8217;. Gut feelings or insight as it is correctly called is not something to be ignored.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Australian research review blasts US quad bike research by Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/an-australian-research-review-blasts-us-quad-bike-research/#comment-21358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fiona Myers of the The Weekly Times has an article on the report in today&#039;s edition - http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2012/02/22/446421_latest-news.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiona Myers of the The Weekly Times has an article on the report in today&#8217;s edition &#8211; <a href="http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2012/02/22/446421_latest-news.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2012/02/22/446421_latest-news.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on An Australian research review blasts US quad bike research by Bette Phillips</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/an-australian-research-review-blasts-us-quad-bike-research/#comment-21357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bette Phillips]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree Dave, I sat in on some of the Coronial Inqest to 6 deaths from quad bikes in Victoria where several of my clients had lost loved ones.
While it is a tradgedy to lose a loved one in any circumstances in this case some of the deaths were due to bad design such as tanks of liquid on the front or rear..or in some case it was due to driver era.

The issue of driver era needs to be addressed as I still see drivers with no helmuts and using the bikes in areas that is unsafe...in my mind the name &quot;all terain vechile&quot; needs to be changed as these bikes should only be used on flat areas rather than in the hills.

Some still use the bikes for all the wrong reasons..like joyriding or taking passengers...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dave, I sat in on some of the Coronial Inqest to 6 deaths from quad bikes in Victoria where several of my clients had lost loved ones.<br />
While it is a tradgedy to lose a loved one in any circumstances in this case some of the deaths were due to bad design such as tanks of liquid on the front or rear..or in some case it was due to driver era.</p>
<p>The issue of driver era needs to be addressed as I still see drivers with no helmuts and using the bikes in areas that is unsafe&#8230;in my mind the name &#8220;all terain vechile&#8221; needs to be changed as these bikes should only be used on flat areas rather than in the hills.</p>
<p>Some still use the bikes for all the wrong reasons..like joyriding or taking passengers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Australian research review blasts US quad bike research by Milk Maid Marian</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/an-australian-research-review-blasts-us-quad-bike-research/#comment-21355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milk Maid Marian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comes as no surprise to this dairy farmer. Our two quad bikes are fitted with QuadBars because it just makes sense. 

At 8kg, the bars are so light they can hardly alter the centre of gravity and their footprint is tiny, especially when compared to the surface area of an upturned quad that the idea of extra pinch points is nothing short of idiocy in my view.

In other words, the US research was never compelling to me because the objections it raised were patently silly to anyone in my position. And at the end of the day, it&#039;s my farm, my family and my employees at stake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comes as no surprise to this dairy farmer. Our two quad bikes are fitted with QuadBars because it just makes sense. </p>
<p>At 8kg, the bars are so light they can hardly alter the centre of gravity and their footprint is tiny, especially when compared to the surface area of an upturned quad that the idea of extra pinch points is nothing short of idiocy in my view.</p>
<p>In other words, the US research was never compelling to me because the objections it raised were patently silly to anyone in my position. And at the end of the day, it&#8217;s my farm, my family and my employees at stake.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Australian research review blasts US quad bike research by Dave Robertson</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/an-australian-research-review-blasts-us-quad-bike-research/#comment-21354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the FCAI had any level of decency, they would apologize to the families who have lost loved ones from the use of their products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the FCAI had any level of decency, they would apologize to the families who have lost loved ones from the use of their products.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Yossi Berger</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21350</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yossi Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[However, 

Kevin.  In Australian industry - across the board - over the last 10 years or so risk assessment and risk management have been unashamedly used to slow down improvements.  More times than not.  Check what Prof. Quinlan and coroner Chandler wrote about the Beaconsfield rock fall to get a sense of what I mean.  Check what was said about Longford explosions and fires in Victoria after all the risk assessment etc. embroidery.

The notion of &#039;twitches&#039; and intuitions is very important but so is the fact that the process associated with risk assessment/management is terribly corrupt in real life.  &quot;You ought to move that drum full of formaldehyde away from the door to the lunch room&quot; is greeted with a sincere-looking &quot;You have a point, we&#039;ll immediately conduct a risk assessment. Thankyou for bringing it to our attention!&quot;

Spock had integrity, even during must!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, </p>
<p>Kevin.  In Australian industry &#8211; across the board &#8211; over the last 10 years or so risk assessment and risk management have been unashamedly used to slow down improvements.  More times than not.  Check what Prof. Quinlan and coroner Chandler wrote about the Beaconsfield rock fall to get a sense of what I mean.  Check what was said about Longford explosions and fires in Victoria after all the risk assessment etc. embroidery.</p>
<p>The notion of &#8216;twitches&#8217; and intuitions is very important but so is the fact that the process associated with risk assessment/management is terribly corrupt in real life.  &#8220;You ought to move that drum full of formaldehyde away from the door to the lunch room&#8221; is greeted with a sincere-looking &#8220;You have a point, we&#8217;ll immediately conduct a risk assessment. Thankyou for bringing it to our attention!&#8221;</p>
<p>Spock had integrity, even during must!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul, your reference to the judgement of children is apt as children have a limited source of information about risks.  They are naive in the true sense.  During schooling children are exposed to knew sources of information that will help improve their decision-making process but often this new information is presented as somehow better, more valid than the gut feeling.  I contend that the new information makes for a better judgement and not a replacement.

That is why I have always advocated embracing the subjective and incorporating it into risk management and decision-making.  In keeping with the initial science fiction reference, Spock was a better person when he acknowledged and used his humanity than holding rigidly to the teachings of Vulcan.

(Oh dear, my geek is showing) :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, your reference to the judgement of children is apt as children have a limited source of information about risks.  They are naive in the true sense.  During schooling children are exposed to knew sources of information that will help improve their decision-making process but often this new information is presented as somehow better, more valid than the gut feeling.  I contend that the new information makes for a better judgement and not a replacement.</p>
<p>That is why I have always advocated embracing the subjective and incorporating it into risk management and decision-making.  In keeping with the initial science fiction reference, Spock was a better person when he acknowledged and used his humanity than holding rigidly to the teachings of Vulcan.</p>
<p>(Oh dear, my geek is showing) <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many comments are noting the need for experieince in OHS education.  I agree that OHS students (indeed any students) must have some time in the real non-academic world in order to apply some of their schooling and see how it needs refining and readjusting in order to be practical.

One risk with this approach is that it can become ageist and elitist. Intuiition is partly gained through experience but there must already be a little bit of wisdom for intuition to build and improve.  I don&#039;t see wisdom as age related. (In fact, I would proobably more likely see bigotry and intolerance as more related to age)  In some people there is a confluence of attitudes, skills, knowledge and wisdom that increase the accuracy and reliability of the gut feeling.

As OHS and risk professionals it is part of our job to encourage everyone to achieve that useful, practical and progressive confluence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many comments are noting the need for experieince in OHS education.  I agree that OHS students (indeed any students) must have some time in the real non-academic world in order to apply some of their schooling and see how it needs refining and readjusting in order to be practical.</p>
<p>One risk with this approach is that it can become ageist and elitist. Intuiition is partly gained through experience but there must already be a little bit of wisdom for intuition to build and improve.  I don&#8217;t see wisdom as age related. (In fact, I would proobably more likely see bigotry and intolerance as more related to age)  In some people there is a confluence of attitudes, skills, knowledge and wisdom that increase the accuracy and reliability of the gut feeling.</p>
<p>As OHS and risk professionals it is part of our job to encourage everyone to achieve that useful, practical and progressive confluence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, thanks for the Star Wars plaudit. (Don&#039;t get me started on the hazards of working in isolated environments as shown by Bruce Dern in Silent Running) 

I note there is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0HfHmRN9x4&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Death Star Threat Modelling&lt;/a&gt; lecture on Youtube but of more interest is the article &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.starwars.com/newspecies/9/comments&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Death Star Should be Closed Due to Lack of Safety Features&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.

Of course who can forget&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Make-So-Leadership-Lessons-Generation/dp/0671520970&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Make It So: Leadership Lessons from Star Trek the Next Generation&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for the Star Wars plaudit. (Don&#8217;t get me started on the hazards of working in isolated environments as shown by Bruce Dern in Silent Running) </p>
<p>I note there is a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0HfHmRN9x4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Death Star Threat Modelling</a> lecture on Youtube but of more interest is the article &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.starwars.com/newspecies/9/comments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Death Star Should be Closed Due to Lack of Safety Features</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Of course who can forget&#8221;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Make-So-Leadership-Lessons-Generation/dp/0671520970" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Make It So: Leadership Lessons from Star Trek the Next Generation</a>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Han Solo &#8211; Risk Manager by Paul Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/02/21/han-solo-risk-manager/#comment-21346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Malcolm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is rarely one answer to an issue.

To manage risk, statistics give us an objective background, if they are comprehensive and true! e.g. not eveyone report incidents and often they can be &#039;coded&#039; incorrectly.

Gut feeling comes from exposure/experience to various incidents, as much as it does from intuition. Everyone possesses intuition (whether you are male or female)!

Gut feeling probably developed in us as children, when we assessed whether climbing a tree or riding a bicycle was a risk, after the hairs stood up on the back of our necks. This is training.

I see no disadvantage to approaching risk assesment with both stats, industry experience and training, even that training from childhood.

The next step is consultation with those doing the work and experts, to get a rounded knowledge, to approach risk management and the development of controls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is rarely one answer to an issue.</p>
<p>To manage risk, statistics give us an objective background, if they are comprehensive and true! e.g. not eveyone report incidents and often they can be &#8216;coded&#8217; incorrectly.</p>
<p>Gut feeling comes from exposure/experience to various incidents, as much as it does from intuition. Everyone possesses intuition (whether you are male or female)!</p>
<p>Gut feeling probably developed in us as children, when we assessed whether climbing a tree or riding a bicycle was a risk, after the hairs stood up on the back of our necks. This is training.</p>
<p>I see no disadvantage to approaching risk assesment with both stats, industry experience and training, even that training from childhood.</p>
<p>The next step is consultation with those doing the work and experts, to get a rounded knowledge, to approach risk management and the development of controls.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Work-related suicide gains some fresh media recognition by S. Towle</title>
		<link>http://safetyatworkblog.com/2011/11/15/work-related-suicide-gains-some-fresh-media-recognition/#comment-21345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Towle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking from experience, I can tell you how Workers compensation has left me homeless, divorced, and looking for my place in the world. I broke my back Feb 2, 2008. I was  a class A mechanic who was reduced to a cripple. It was witnessed by my supervisor, me stepping out of the service truck and landing on my back. I reported the fall thinking nothing bad would happen, just bruising. I woke up 2 days later and couldnt feel my legs. Went to their doctors and found I had broken my back in 2 places, both inoperable. I laid up and did everything they told me to do thinking I would heal. I was that 10% that doesn&#039;t heal correctly. I went back to work was criticised for my lack of work productivity and my lack of health improvement. It got worse not better. I pushed myself to try to meet their standards and never could. My home life started to feel the effects of my anger of the treatment by management, my son and wife started to dislike being near me. I started counseling and on the anniversary of my accident a year later admitted myself to a hospital for suicidal thoughts. I didn&#039;t have one plan I had 4. I wanted the pain to end, the lack of being a man and not being able to provide for my family, the harrassment at work and the loss of friends because I was angry alot.
  When I got out of the hospital it was like sharks smlling blood work became horrible. They had me clean toilets, fuel trucks and alot of other things that hurt me emotionally and physically. I got in a motorcycle accident and the company fired me while in the ICU. That was the straw that broke the camels back. I went deeper into depression my wife kicked me out and kept my son. I had no $ to fight in the divorce, so i lost everything I cared for. The day I broke my back I consider the day the gun was loaded, I have not pulled the trigger yet but everyday it crosses my mind. I suffer so my son doesn&#039;t think suicide is the answer. Workers Comp hasn&#039;t paid me for years and I have to wait to get in front of a judge to ever see that money. Where I used to work people get hurt and claim it on their insurance not workers comp because they saw how i was treated. Is work place injuries a trigger for suicide yes. Does workers comp make it worse, definately. From a person not talking about someone who did commit suicide, this is from the person who contemplates it daily. This sytem needs to be regulated and changes made. If the company had showed me some respect and helped me to feel some worth at work my life may be different, but the reality is the money I was costing them is all they saw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from experience, I can tell you how Workers compensation has left me homeless, divorced, and looking for my place in the world. I broke my back Feb 2, 2008. I was  a class A mechanic who was reduced to a cripple. It was witnessed by my supervisor, me stepping out of the service truck and landing on my back. I reported the fall thinking nothing bad would happen, just bruising. I woke up 2 days later and couldnt feel my legs. Went to their doctors and found I had broken my back in 2 places, both inoperable. I laid up and did everything they told me to do thinking I would heal. I was that 10% that doesn&#8217;t heal correctly. I went back to work was criticised for my lack of work productivity and my lack of health improvement. It got worse not better. I pushed myself to try to meet their standards and never could. My home life started to feel the effects of my anger of the treatment by management, my son and wife started to dislike being near me. I started counseling and on the anniversary of my accident a year later admitted myself to a hospital for suicidal thoughts. I didn&#8217;t have one plan I had 4. I wanted the pain to end, the lack of being a man and not being able to provide for my family, the harrassment at work and the loss of friends because I was angry alot.<br />
  When I got out of the hospital it was like sharks smlling blood work became horrible. They had me clean toilets, fuel trucks and alot of other things that hurt me emotionally and physically. I got in a motorcycle accident and the company fired me while in the ICU. That was the straw that broke the camels back. I went deeper into depression my wife kicked me out and kept my son. I had no $ to fight in the divorce, so i lost everything I cared for. The day I broke my back I consider the day the gun was loaded, I have not pulled the trigger yet but everyday it crosses my mind. I suffer so my son doesn&#8217;t think suicide is the answer. Workers Comp hasn&#8217;t paid me for years and I have to wait to get in front of a judge to ever see that money. Where I used to work people get hurt and claim it on their insurance not workers comp because they saw how i was treated. Is work place injuries a trigger for suicide yes. Does workers comp make it worse, definately. From a person not talking about someone who did commit suicide, this is from the person who contemplates it daily. This sytem needs to be regulated and changes made. If the company had showed me some respect and helped me to feel some worth at work my life may be different, but the reality is the money I was costing them is all they saw.</p>
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